Posts by Ultimate Reality

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Is the information on JWfacts.com accurate?

by Nobleheart in

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i'm researching and going through so much material to try and find out whether jw doctrines and beliefs are based on the bible, as well as if they're consistent.

i'm a jw currently and i have many doubts at the moment.

fortunately this site is helping me so much, as there's always someone who's posted the same question i had in mind.

Ultimate Reality

Welcome.

For historical publications go to:

http://www.archive.org/details/WatchTowerBibleandTractSocietyofPennsylvaniaWatchTowerpubs_0

Regarding the ever important 607 vs 587 issue, it is a question of whether the Bible claims that the 70 years were a Jewish timeframe (beginning with the destruction of the Temple) or the Babylonian timeframe for the domination of other nations (from their rise over Assyria in 609 BCE to their end in 539 BCE). Keep investigating, you'll find the answer in the Bible.

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H. Hunger Reviews R. Furuli's "Assyrian, Babylonian, and Egyptian Chronology, Volume II"

by AnnOMaly in

a long-awaited review by professor h. hunger, foremost authority on babylonian astronomical cuneiform tablets, of dr. r. furuli's assyrian, babylonian, and egyptian chronology.

volume ii of assyrian, babylonian, egyptian, and persian chronology compared with the chronology of the bible is now available to read for anyone who is interested.

you can find it at http://goto.glocalnet.net/kf4/reviewhunger.htm.

Ultimate Reality

@ Scholar:

Perhaps you missed my earlier post...

Can you please post the specific Bible verses that prove "the reality of the Babylonian Gap"? No commentary needed -- just the books, chapters, and verses.

Thank you.

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H. Hunger Reviews R. Furuli's "Assyrian, Babylonian, and Egyptian Chronology, Volume II"

by AnnOMaly in

a long-awaited review by professor h. hunger, foremost authority on babylonian astronomical cuneiform tablets, of dr. r. furuli's assyrian, babylonian, and egyptian chronology.

volume ii of assyrian, babylonian, egyptian, and persian chronology compared with the chronology of the bible is now available to read for anyone who is interested.

you can find it at http://goto.glocalnet.net/kf4/reviewhunger.htm.

Ultimate Reality

@ Scholar:

Can you please post the specific Bible verses that prove "the reality of the Babylonian Gap"? No commentary needed -- just the books, chapters, and verses.

Thank you.

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Now why would the WT not ask former elders the 3rd question?

by wheelwithinwheel in

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in chapter 3 of ks-10, paragraph 13 (page 35), the wt corp provides the precise questions that are to be asked aspiring elders before announcing their appointment.

there are only 2 for qualifying brothers who have served previously.

brothers not having served before must be asked a 3rd.. .

Ultimate Reality

The lawyers had to write this. With new appointees they protect themselves by asking the molestation question and they protect themselves from liability through a 'don't ask, don't tell' policy with those already serving. They don't want to have any liability for elders that molest children.

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"Before the Generation ... of 1914 Passes Away"

by doinmypart in

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that quote must be embarrassing for the wts, so i figured i'd post it.

it appeared on the inside cover of every awake magazine until a few years ago.. a few weeks ago i attended the funeral of someone born in 1916, she was 94 years old.

i don't know anyone born before or on 1914.. governing body are you ashamed?

Ultimate Reality

But the Generation has not passed away. Jesus really meant that the Generation would have two overlapping groups, one that saw 1914 and one that sees the great tribulation. Together, they make up the Generation that will not pass away. We can thank holy spirit for shedding new light on this topic.

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Mind Control on Dr. Phil

by brotherdan in

usually i'm not into dr. phil at all.

but yesterday he had on dr. philip zimbardo from standford university on the show to talk about obedience to authority.

now the focus was on people doing bad and cruel things when obeying authority, but i could not help but see how many of the psychological issues also seemed to take place in jehovah's witnesses.. for example, a man was waiting outside the studio when a security gaurd walked up to the waiting man with a supposed thief.

Ultimate Reality

Anyone interested in this topic should read the Milgram study on Obedience to Authority -- it's far more comprehensive than any of the studies currently done on this issue.

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H. Hunger Reviews R. Furuli's "Assyrian, Babylonian, and Egyptian Chronology, Volume II"

by AnnOMaly in

a long-awaited review by professor h. hunger, foremost authority on babylonian astronomical cuneiform tablets, of dr. r. furuli's assyrian, babylonian, and egyptian chronology.

volume ii of assyrian, babylonian, egyptian, and persian chronology compared with the chronology of the bible is now available to read for anyone who is interested.

you can find it at http://goto.glocalnet.net/kf4/reviewhunger.htm.

Ultimate Reality

Ok....

Scholar

Post 1901

That is merely your opinion as to how the seventy years should be interpreted. The fact of the mattter is that scholars do not have a common view as to the interpretation of the seventy years so your opinion simply mirrors that of Furuli. The Bible states quite clearly that the seventy years was a period of desolation-servitude and exile running from the Rise of Babylon in 609 BCE until their fall in 539 BCE.

UR

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H. Hunger Reviews R. Furuli's "Assyrian, Babylonian, and Egyptian Chronology, Volume II"

by AnnOMaly in

a long-awaited review by professor h. hunger, foremost authority on babylonian astronomical cuneiform tablets, of dr. r. furuli's assyrian, babylonian, and egyptian chronology.

volume ii of assyrian, babylonian, egyptian, and persian chronology compared with the chronology of the bible is now available to read for anyone who is interested.

you can find it at http://goto.glocalnet.net/kf4/reviewhunger.htm.

Ultimate Reality

Scholar wrote: "Furuli's thesis is grounded in the Bible for indeed his methodology was to compare the ancient chronologies with the Bible."

The problem is the interpretation of the Biblical 70 years. Was it a period of servitude for the nations (609 BCE to 539 BCE on the 'secular' calendar) or was it to be a 70 year period from the destruction of the Temple to the release of the Jews?

Jeremiah 25: 11 And all this land must become a devastated place, an object of astonishment, and these nations will have to serve the king of Babylon seventy years.”’

12 “‘And it must occur that when seventy years have been fulfilled I shall call to account against the king of Babylon and against that nation,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘their error, even against the land of the Chal·de´ans, and I will make it desolate wastes to time indefinite.

If we interpret the above to mean a 70 year period of servitude for all the nations, then the Biblical chronology and the secular chronology have no conflict in fixing 587/6 BCE as the date of Jerusalem's destruction. Further, according to the above, we should determine the end of the 70 year period with the fall of Babylon in 539 BCE, not a 537 BCE Jewish release.

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A difference between 2009 Annual Report and 2010 Annual Report

by Gayle in

in 2009 annual meeting report, the report was given of these stats:.

u.s. 7/09 new peak in pubs and again in 8/09 land mark of 1,154,275 pubs.

making a 4% increase over last year.

Ultimate Reality

The first place we will see official stats is the 2011 Yearbook, which should be available soon and will include Memorial numbers. But it is my understanding, from years past, that at the Annual Meeting they give the numbers for the previous service year. Looks like they need to hide something -- just like they no longer print the monthly numbers in the KM every month -- only "highlights".

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JC meeting - Someone Explain Kingdom established on Pentecost

by In in

at one point in the jc recording, the "apostate" (i think his name is rick) states that the kingdom was established on pentecost, based on mark 9 where jesus says "i tell you some standing here will not taste death until they see the kingdom coming.".

the elders say this was the transfiguration.

rick states jesus didn't say it would be a vision; the transfiguration was a vision.. can someone please elaborate on this idea with scriptures?.

Ultimate Reality

This is not without controversy. Some view this to mean that Christ was due to return within that generation (such as at 70 CE). Check the Greek Interlinear, using the word "Accordingly" to link the statement to the event may not be justified.

The statement by Jesus seems to suggest that some would be dead, but not all -- otherwise why say such a thing?

Paul also wrote at 1 Thess 4 (NIV):

13 Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope. 14 We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage each other with these words.